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  1. Hemochromatosis

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    i knew there was a flow chart diagram in the works :)
     
  2. JanSz

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    We have a generac that is 12 years old. I would never be without. We have run as long as4 weeks on it as an ice storm dropped a high energy line on my residential feed and caught my house panel on fire. It melted part of the auto switch and due to the storm they were back ordered for some time and we were low priority as the only dropped residence off the grid.

    We are powered by natural gas and run the entire house without a problem. Sitting there and having power back before you can count to ten sure beats going out in the storm, in the dark, to find the generator, the connector and gas. Let alone trying to get me up during the night to refuel. It is also nice to know home and whoever I left there has power if I am out of town.

    We exercise automatically weekly, service annually (now 130.00/year). And after the 4weeks had some preventative maintenance done. My install was 1200 12 years ago.
     
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    Nobody knows better than an engineer that a picture is worth a thousand words.
     
  5. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Estimate 10/11/2011

    Purchase, install and wire a Generac Guardian 5875 - 20kW Air Cooled Standby Generator
    (Aluminum) Pre-Packaged with a 200 Amp Service Rated Nexus Smart Switch with Digital Load
    Management Technology Nema 3R Rated, Flexible Fuel Line Connector, Composite Mounting
    Pad for standby back up power. This size generator will provide 75 amps of power and will back
    up the entire electrical system.

    Total $7,625.00


    Is this a good price??



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    I can get the generator

    http://www.norwall.com/products/Generac-Guardian-5875-20kW-Standby-Generator-(Aluminum)-Pre-Packaged-200-Amp-Service-Rated-ATS.html?gclid=CP3B6enQ4asCFcx-5Qod7lWDYg


    Generac Guardian 5875 20kW Standby Generator (Aluminum) Pre Packaged 200 Amp Service Rated ATS


    $4,405.00

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    http://www.norwall.com/products/Gen...)-Pre-Packaged-200-Amp-Service-Rated-ATS.html
    Product Information PDFs

    Product Specs
    http://www.norwall.com/product_pdfs/pdf_file_21303.pdf

    Installation Drawing
    http://www.norwall.com/product_pdfs/pdf_file_26584.pdf

    Installation Manual
    http://www.norwall.com/product_pdfs/pdf_file_31585.pdf

    Owners Manual
    http://www.norwall.com/product_pdfs/pdf_file_31586.pdf
     
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  6. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-O...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    GE 20,000-Watt Standby Generator with Symphony II Whole House 200A Transfer Switch
    Model # 40331HD Internet # 202714593
    Store SO SKU # 383146


    $4,699.00 /EA-Each
    Price includes shipping






    Amperage (amps) : 83.3 A
    Amps : 83.3 A

    Assembled Depth (in.) : 48 in
    Assembled Height (in.) : 30.5 in
    Assembled Width (in.) : 33 in
    CSA Listed : No
    Color Family : Grays
    Commercial/Residential : Residential
    ETL Listed : No
    Electrical Product Type : Standby Generator
    Energy Star Compliant : No
    Engine Displacement (cc) : 993.0
    Engine Make : Briggs & Stratton

    Engine brand : Briggs & Stratton Vanguard
    Frequency : Weekly
    Height : 30.5 in
    Hour Meter : Yes
    Item Package Type : Cardboard Container
    Low oil shutdown : Yes
    Manufacturer Warranty : 5 Year Limited Warranty including Parts and Labor
    Operational volume (dB) : 68
    Product Height (in.) : 30.5
    Product Length (in.) : 48 in
    Product Weight (lb.) : 600.0
    Product Width (in.) : 33.0
    Rated Wattage : 20000 W
    Rated wattage liquid propane (watts) : 20000.0
    Rated wattage natural gas (watts) : 18000.0
    Remote Monitoring : Included
    Response time (sec.) : 30.0
    Returnable : Non-Returnable
    Sound Decibels : 68 dB
    Width : 33.0 in
     
  7. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    http://ingramswaterandair.com/skutt...282.html?cvsfa=1207&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=3135323832


    Skuttle Spray Humidifiers. Model 592-22

    Item Number : 592-22

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    SKUTTLE SPRAY HUMIDIFIERS

    MODEL
    Model 592-22


    DESCRIPTION


    This humidifier is designed to deliver high humidity output when used on warm-air (fossil fuel) heating systems. Fresh water flows through the solenoid valve and is sprayed into the furnace duct by a high precision spray nozzle. The warm moist air is then carried throughout the home by the heating system. Various nozzle sizes allow for proper, accurate sizing of the humidifier. Units shipped with 0.50 gph nozzle. Additional nozzles are available to cover requirements thru 1.50 gph. Nozzle output capacity rated at 40 psi standard. The units compact size aids in ease of installation on almost any furnace plenum. Catalog number 5H516 is designed for fossil fuel furnaces. Catalog number 4G7304 is designed for heat pumps and low temperature heating systems. Installation package includes universal humidistat, self-piercing saddle valve, mounting template and mounting hardware. Electrical rating: 24 volts.
     
  8. Nuclear

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    I have a shuttle of the steam variety. It works great.
     
  9. JanSz

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    I do not understand.
    If it is something that I could use, please provide enough details so I could try that.
     
  10. Nuclear

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    http://www.skuttle.com/steam.html

    I would not use the spray type humidified without using distiller water. The sprayed water will put tap water contaminants into your house as well as mineral deposits and mineral "dust". If you ever used an ultrasonic humidifier, you will know what I mean.

    The steam unit delivers pure moisture. It does have to be cleaned/demineralized periodically.
     
  11. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Ok, same brand as I posted above, just steam version.

    http://ingramswaterandair.com/skutt...steam-humidifiers-c-45_81_3529_3664_3669.html

    They are from the same vendor that I posted.
    Steam Price: $545.00
    Spray Price: $179.00


    I am not afraid of dust, I plan on using RO water.



    ...
    In 1979 I bought in hardware store (Rickle's ??) box looks real similar to skuttle/spray.
    It worked on 110v, real well as humidity goes.
    At the time RO water was not available, I had to stop it due to dust. I could use that box today.


    Bottom line, what I need is a nozzle to create the spray, because I have complete setup from the evaporative humidifier that is installed already.

    Relaxing requirements to the minimum,
    electric water valve (1/4") opens when two conditions are met:
    furnance is on, fan moves air
    humidity is lower than set on humidistat

    Required water flow is minimal (6-12 gal/24hr)
    nozzle would just have to meter the water flow, if it is spraying or dripping is probably secondary.
    Any drops of water would just evaporate in hot duct.

    Where to get nozzle like that?

    On a second thought, furnace is heating (probably) no more than 30% of time.
    Nozzle would have to be around 18-36 gal/24hrs or ~ 1-3 galons/hr


    Since I do not really know,
    how much water I need,
    what is the RO water pressure
    I would need few trial and errors.
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    No, here are some reasons to keep spray as fine as possible.
    So I really need spraying nozzle.

    It looks like 1gal/hr may be the correct size.
    If I need bigger, add another nozzle.



    http://www.ca.uky.edu/poultryprofit...ion/Chapter9_fogging_and_misting_systems.html

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    http://www.boat-superstore.com/Boat-Cz-1-Gal-Per-Hr-Nozzle-1-By-Taylor_p_5787.html

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    http://www.plumbingsupply.com/misterscooldown.html

    Patio & Greenhouse Misters to Keep You Cool!



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  12. Bill_BOY2005

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    JanSz
    I've installed several of these units. The gas company will happily install a larger gas meter for you. For best result run the gas line right from the meter to the unit using poly line. If you come out if your house lines and size is marginal you can drop your pilot lights and starve the unit under full load.
     
  13. JanSz

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    Price: $199.00

    There are many other colors, high visibility is good for walking/running streets.

    http://jackkruse.com/cold-thermogenesis-6-the-ancient-pathway/#comment-31962
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    Original RPCM Cool Vest - High Visibility- Includes RPCM Cool Pack Set. Original RPCM Cooling Vests feature over the shoulder and side strap adjustability. Additionally they include a heavy duty front zipper for easy on / off wear. RPCM Cooling Vests provide the user with the maximum comfort available in the market today. They maintain a cool, constant 59°F temperature for up to 2 1/2 hours, weigh less than 5 lbs., and recharge in minutes. This model uses the highest visibility fabric (chartreuse, sometimes called lime-green, or yellow-green) and bands on front and rear.



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    With the renewable phase change material technology(RPCM®), you'll stay cool and comfortable at a temperature that feels natural to your skin and body. So comfortable in fact, that the RPCM® Cooling Vest can be worn directly against your skin without fear of frostbite, tissue damage, or discomfort.


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    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    http://jackkruse.com/cold-thermogenesis-6-the-ancient-pathway/#comment-31962


    Jack believes that for example: diabetes is not a disease.

    Diabetes is a normal animal response to food and environment in spring, summer and autum,
    while readying for winter hibernation.

    That is diabetes is reversible when afflicted person would recreate winter and live in it.


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    mar/10/2012
    I send this info to my friend who have PC.



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  15. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Very helpful, thank you.

     
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    Even if he is correct, isn't the person being stuck in a metabolic state that is inappropriate to the external environment three seasons out of the year a disease? Also, as far as I know, most primates do not hibernate.
     
  17. JanSz

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    Every year, specially at the spring, we have arrival of variety of sizes, ants.
    Few ant traps solves the problem for a season.

    This year, we got the small kind, they actually look somewhat different. Lightly build. Sometimes I think that they are not really ants.
    Dozen of ant traps on a first floor, of all kind of types of traps, does not make a dent.

    Any suggestions.


    .
     
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    zorotools.com

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    G3125175
    Structural Resin Stock Tanks
    Stock Tank,L 58 ,W 39,Cap 150 Gal,Black
    $182.47
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    http://freetheanimal.com/2012/04/cold-water-therapy-and-experimentation-recommences.html



    Jack Kruse: Neurosurgeon. Leptin Reset and Cold Thermogenesis. Controversy
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    http://www.plastic-mart.com/item.aspx?id=102
    150 Gallon Green Poly Oval Stock Tank
    Price: $147.95


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    Part Number: A-ARM-10117
    Capacity: 150 Gallon Livestock Trough
    Dimensions: 75"L x 31"W x 25"H
    Weight: 45 lbs.
     
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    Yesterday I got inspection stickers on my 20kw generator from Generac.
    All looks solid.
    This Friday inspector from gas company will come to analyze the installation and make a final decission about gas meter that I have.
    Preliminary decision was that they will replace the meter with bigger unit, but logically (my own logic) I sshould have plenty of gas now.

    Tow big users are
    AC in summer
    furnace in winter

    It is one or the other, no both at the same time.

    Meter replacement was required with assumption that everything comes on line at the same time.

    But with pencil pushers one newer know.

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    My contractor, who seem to be a real smart cookie, agrees with me.

    There were three snags with inspectors.
    On one he have given in (I was arguing against wasteful changes)
    The other two, contractor has given lesson to inspectors on how to read code.

    ...........................

    I do not really care about gas meter, it will cost me nothing when I get new one.
    But this is little project told me that at least 5 people in my town have (unnecessary jobs) and (unnecessary pension till they die 60-70 years from now).
    That is raising my taxes, my daughter taxes and my grandchildren and thier children will still pay for this 5 guys.


    ...


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    10/29/2012

    Hurricane Sandy.

    Power is out.
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    Send e-mail to my (trusty) electric contractor.
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    10/29/2012

    Hi Chris;

    Hurricane Sandy or whatever the reason, caused power outage.
    Generator started and is working fine.
    But
    I have observations and questions.
    Generator started shortly after power was out (good), but tripped very quickly (bad).
    Started again and it is currently on (good).

    After second start I noted:
    parts of the house were without power.
    Three circuit breakers were tripped.
    I reseated the three circuit breakers and all power is on.
    One circuit in main panel.
    Two circuits in panel located in garage.

    My questions, why this happened, how to prevent it in the future.

    My hypothesis.
    Transfer switch hooks up generator to the house too soon.
    Generator likely does not have full power, voltage is low, most loaded circuits fail first.
    Likely it would help if transfer switch waited few more seconds before it hooks generator to the house.

    I have no means to control load for each individual circuit.
    Practically I will load each circuit until breaker trips. But when breaker holds I must assume that all is ok.

    What say you?
    Why generator had to start twice?

    Hopefully you are ok.
    Regards;
    Jan
     

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