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Is testosterone cypionate a "bio identical hormone"?

Discussion in 'Male Health & HRT' started by letstalk, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. letstalk

    letstalk New Member

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    The language I'm seeing out there for different clinics and practices is incredibly deceiving.... I'm not sure all the time what they are talking about.

    For example, I know the testosterone we inject is synthetic, but isn't it also bioidentical? This one site appears to give males testosterone but not synthetic hormones... shheeeeeeeesh! lol

    Really need a doc to take care of these puffy damn nipples!
     
  2. MarkLA

    MarkLA New Member

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    No.

    But after your body clips off the cypionate part, then you have testosterone that is the same as your body makes. The cypionate is there to prolong the half life.
     
  3. Ratchet Man

    Ratchet Man New Member

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    No, but it's close enough. And words bio-identical is marketing crap.

    Only real HGH is truly bio-identical for all humans walking the planet.
     
  4. cpeil2

    cpeil2 Active Member

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    What are you trying to say?
     
  5. letstalk

    letstalk New Member

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    It sure seems like marketing crap, but respected figures in the field use bio-identical readily and frequently... it's confusing to put it bluntly.

    I mean... how is anything not synthetic unless of course we are still extracting everything from animals, cadavers, and humans... I don't think we do that for much anymore...
     
  6. cpeil2

    cpeil2 Active Member

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    You have to shop carefully for sure, but, unless you are getting an anabolic steroid like sustenon or winstrol, you can rest assured that you are getting bio-identical hormone. And yes, bio-identical T is synthesized. Most esters are considered to be bio-identical, even though they are not strictly bio-identical, because they have been only slightly modified to extend their half-life once injected.
     
  7. Ratchet Man

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    That if you were to analyze at the molecular level the testosterone your body makes vs. the testosterone you're injecting, they're not identical. The body accepts it (it obviously doesn't reject it) but it's not exactly the same. I'm not a chemist or biologist but I have read this multiple places over the years, and is why "bio-identical" being used to market testosterone is crap.

    However if you're talking about HGH, what is being synthesized for medical use (i.e. Somatropin etc.) is exactly bio-identical to the HGH floating around in the human bodies of all people walking the planet.
     
  8. cpeil2

    cpeil2 Active Member

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    Got it, thanks.
     
  9. seekonk

    seekonk Active Member

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    They certainly are identical, in the sense that once the ester is removed from T-cyp (which an enzyme in your blood does), the resulting testosterone molecule that is liberated into the bloodstream is absolutely identical to the one produced by your testicles. It is a simple small molecule that is easily synthesized in the exact same form your body makes it, which you can look up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

    The testosterone in gels, by the way, is also absolutely bioidentical (in this case it is just the pure testosterone, not linked to an ester).
     
  10. Bulldog

    Bulldog Administrator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    What Seekonk said.
     
  11. Ratchet Man

    Ratchet Man New Member

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    Yes I understand that part. Of course the molecule is the same. There's only one human 'testosterone' molecule structure. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that by introducing that molecule into your body, you're also introducing other substances that are in the cypionate. Likewise with the gel/creams, there is a carrier which it has it's own molecular structure.

    I was saying with HGH, other than bacteriostatic water, there is nothing else being introduced into the body nor is there anything being converted or removed/processed requiring an enzyme (or anything else), etc.
     
  12. thombrad

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    not sure why people still do intermuscular. the injection site is always sore feels like i got kicked in the leg for days afterwards. 100 mg of test cyponainte every four days subcutaneous and and 500 iu of hcg on day three keeps everything working great. original levels at 243(total)/6.5(free) 90 day levels at 1130(total)/35(free). could use some advice on keeping the estrodiol levels down though. agree about the bs bio identical marketing... called several of the bio-clinics and after lots of bio greatness sales pitches i finally got the truth that test-cyp is what they use for injections..
     
  13. Dr. John Crisler

    Dr. John Crisler Lord of the Forum Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I am afraid the compounders are not quite being right about this.

    Testosterone is testosterone. Its molecule is consistent, regardless of the delivery method.

    Adding an ester to improve its performance inside the body IMO does not change that.

    It's not like with estrogens.
     
  14. Vincemc

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    35! Hows the libido
     

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