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  1. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    I have a problem raising ferritin
    because then my Hgb/Hct are raising too much.


    I am looking for suggestions on how to increase Ferritin without this effect.
    Eventually I plan on seeing hematologist.
    Thing got worst after my Green Laser prostate surgery.


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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Re: JanSz--Tests--2010

    Starting 6/15/2010
    T-shot=23units=46mg=161mg/week (reduced from T-shot=25units=50mg=175mg/week)
    HCG=300iu

    300mg/day Nutricology Micronized Lipid Matrix Pregnenolone (MLM)(in the morning)
    No HC
    T4-50mcg/day
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    Some/most of the results I have already for a week (5 weeks after blood draw)
    After I saw results of this test

    further reduced----> T-shot=21units=42mg=147mg/week
    HCG=400iu
    300mg MLM pregnenolone, 150mg/wakeup, 150mg/evening
    I noted that specially in the morning I react quickly (body temperature) and then it wears quickly when I use HC.
    so I stopped all thyroid hormones
    and use no more than 5mg HC at the time but use much more frequent schedule
    HC
    8AM-5mg
    9AM-5mg
    11AM-5mg
    1PM-5mg
    3PM-5mg
    6PM-5mg
    11PM-5mg(possible, newer actually used)

    Today, Monday 11/1/2010 I received
    http://www.forresthealth.com/progest-sublingual-progesterone-drops.html

    BioMatrix Progesterone Sublingual Drops Price: $32.00 (shipping $6.50) ordered 10/29/10 received 11/1/10
    Bottle size: 30 ml, approximately 1,000 drops----->1200mg
    One Drop (.03 ml) Contains: Progesterone: Approx. 1.2 mg

    1.2 mg (1 drop) of BioMatrix ProGest is equivalent to 3 mg of micronized oral progesterone. BioMatrix ProGest has a 99% absorption rate.

    http://allthingsmale.com/forum/showpost.php?p=118795&postcount=16
    Originally Posted by*PPC*
    I do know that 100mg of oral or vaginal progesterone is hoped to take a menopausal woman
    (from about nothing like you mentioned) to about 5 with serum. /end PPC quote

    I want to get to 1.4, I already have 0.3, need to boost by (1.4-0.3)=1.1
    100/5*1.1=22
    so I would need 22mg/day progesterone
    22/1.2*0.03=0.55mL/day---->18 units 3x/day

    Today, Monday 11/1/2010 I started---->18 units 3x/day

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  3. punxweb

    punxweb New Member

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    Re: JanSz--Tests--2010

    Would like to know the answer to your ferritin question. RT3 is pretty high, why are you feeding it T4?
     
  4. chemman

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    Re: JanSz--Tests--2010

    How do you feel at these levels?
     
  5. CubbieBlue

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    Re: JanSz--Tests--2010

    Didn't have much time to look at this but it looks like the MLM experiment worked - right? I am confused though - what is up with the 6/14/2010 labs? You were supplementing PROG and PREG but with a higher dose?

    Second question: Your E2 looks a little high, this is probably due to the PREG as well...thoughts?

    Observation: DHEAs over the top but DHEA low - why?

    SHBG low as well and your BioT and TT above range. It seems you could lower your T dose quite a bit.

    And like Chem said: how do you feel?

    Thank you for being a guinea pig! Very interesting.

    If nothing else this shows that MLM does work to boost serum levels of PREG. Also your CORT levels look pretty good as well, so I guess helps to validate PREG as a method to boost CORT.
     
  6. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Short story, I do not use any thyroid hormones now.

    Longer story.
    I have been on variety of thyroid hormones
    It think this was on either 75mcg-T3 or 100mcg-T3
    1/26/2010
    TSH=0.02
    T4=1.2(4.5-12.5)
    FT4=0.3(0.8-1.8)
    T3=105(76-181)
    FT3=360(230-420)
    RT3=4(11-32)

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    Right before prostate surgery:
    03/31/2010
    T3=405 ng/dl[60-180 ng/dl]<------------based on above test, I told them that they have screwed this one (and they agreed)
    T4=1.2 mcg/dl[4.5-10.9 mcg/dl]
    T4, Free=0.32 ng/dl[0.9-1.8 ng/dl]
    TSH=<0.02 mcUnits/ml[0.35-5.5 mcUnits/ml]
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    After surgery, I decided to call end to my T3 only project and was using
    1.5Grain Armour Thyroid + 50mcg-T3=(57mcg-T4) + (50mcg-T3)

    I was using that until about 6/15/2010 when I started using 300pmg MLM Pregnenolone

    Pregnenolone got my pulse and temperature too high.
    Regulating I ended on

    Synthroid-T4-50mcg
    and always felt very sensitive, when I took pregnenolone always felt different.

    I got most of my present test results a week ago.
    Seeing low cortisol I added HC.
    Seeing that HC makes immediate difference (temperature, pulse) I decided to use no more than 5mg-HC at a time. As described in above post.

    That is good but still I feel that I do not need any thyroid hormones now.

    This is my todays story.

    I plan on staying without any thyroid hormones until next test (always subject to any last moment change of mind).

    I want to get first
    preg, prog, Cortisol etc in best shape I am able.

    Then will look at thyroid and possibly add minimal amounts of T3.

    In the mean time I have already given blood for my FattyAcid analysis.
    Will post results when I get them.

    Also I have a script for complete Spectracell, will give a blood within few days.

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  7. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    Reading lab reports is not easy.
    Many ranges are age adjusted.
    You have to unscrew what labs scrwed.
    I am 70yo, ranges are age adjusted.

    So you have got it backwards.
    For this test I was supplementing with pregnenolone only, no progesterone.
    Cortisol is low, that is why I started HC
    SHBG is excellent
    DHEA is low, they skipped or do not know how to adjust for age
    DHEAs is low too when you unscrew the ranges.
    TT level I do not care about
    BAT is little high, I suspected that, and I reduced 2 units per shots, prior, that was not enough, I do (T-shot=21) units now.
    But I described that above, (possibly not in clear enough way). English is my second language, and so on.


    I feel ok. Wood nightly.

    Yes, E2 is bouncing like a ping pong ball.
    And I am chasing after it with anastrozole.

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  8. punxweb

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    The way you describe it, it almost looks like high RT3 may be an inflamatory responce. To what, who knows.
     
  9. CubbieBlue

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    Do you know what caused your AM CORT to drop from ~20 to 10 in 2009 from 2007? Meaning does this coincide with you starting TRT etc.?

    So let me get this straight - sorry I am having some difficulty getting this straight.

    You felt (by your previous posts) pretty good on MLM and it seems like you were expecting your CORT to come back a bit higher.

    It came back at 12.2, which you decided is too low, so now you are going back to using some HC.

    So...really what the PREG did for you was (simplified here) make your thyroid work better. It had no real effect on your CORT levels - correct?

    If so, and you felt decent off HC, why go back on HC just because the numbers are a little bit lower than you would like?
     
  10. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    8AM-Cortisol came back from (10.9 or 9.3) to a (14.9 or 13.3)
    Going by (8AM-FreeCortisol=0.61(00.7-0.93)
    I am low on cortisol and have added back HC

    I do not really know why my cortisol got lower then it used to be.
    I started on TRT (2004) with excellent cortisol and progesterone.
    Probably my pregnenolone was also high.
    One theory may be that supplementing with testosterone got not only my LH & FSH down to nothing but also ACTH is very low.
    Pregnenolone is made from cholesterol under control of (ACTH, LH & FSH)

    I am not done raising pregnenolone
    I have barely raised progesterone
    I hope that when I get them where I want them, my FreeCortisol will improve.
    I hope that also ACTH and Aldosterone will get better (they were much better during my experiment)(test 6/14/2010).

    Yes, so far my biggest gains are in thyroid area.
    Also my present DHEAs level are great considering that previously I need 400mg/day-DHEA pills to raise it to the levels I have now thanks only to pregnenolone.



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  11. keith1958

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    I had the same prblem with my Ferrtin. I went to a Hemotologist and she thought and, was correct, that I was getting too many Phlebotomy's. At the time I was getting them every 6 weeks. As long as I was above 15.9. I was always at the understanding that anytime it gets above 18 we need to stop TRT. This was not her thoughts on the matter. She believes you get a Phlebotomy when it gets to 18 or above but you do not have to stop TRT. She only likes to get 300 ML phlebotomy's not the normal 500ML. The only problem with this was I did not feel well at 18, so we decided when it gets to 17 I get a 300ML phlebotomy. slowly my Ferrtin came up. She did not want me to take iron supplements because it would raise the hemoglobins. I added in a lot of iron rich foods and it worked. I have normal iron levels now and get a phlebotomy on the average every 3-4 months.
     
  12. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    So what is your Ferritin now?

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    I was not able to get practically anything from iron supplements.
    My ferritin gains started in earnest when I started on UNILIVER.
    But still my recent high Ferritin was 82, half of the desirable.
    and the two 500mL phlebotomies got it down to all time low of 17.

    I have a one reading from 1995 and I had then Ferritin=115 (totally natural)

    My all time high, couple days before first phlebotomy Hgb=17.5
    I did not felt anything, well, possibly little sluggish or feeling congested.
    Mostly I went because of seeing those numbers.

    That type of non-descriptive congestion I had previously and it was relieved when doc have given me lymphatic massage.

    UNILIVER is a natural food, it is natural liver cleaned up from fat and stuff.

    Do you think that I may go back on UNILIVER?
    Otherwise I have no problem eating regular liver, I actually like eating livers.
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    I have good coagulation markers, PTT, prothrombin time INR, prothrombin time.

    But I am always worrying about a stroke because my fibrinogen is very high.

    All time high was Fibrinogen= 424(175-425)mg/dL
    High Value: Values >400 mg/dL can cause spontaneous clotting.

    And I was not able to get it down with anything.

    But on last test
    Fibrinogen= 303(175-425) mg/dL

    I have not seen that on, in a while.

    Not sure what caused this drop, blood letting or pregnenolone/progesterone raising.

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  13. xks201

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    How much sex are you having? Apparently negative feedback of FSH + LH extends to ACTH...? Have you tried supplementing that?
     
  14. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    I have a hard time to get what I need from my wife, 1-2/week.
    Not able jerk off successfully without a porn, house is full of people, no opportunity for porn.
    Often walking around with a stiff one.
    At first it was making me mad, then I thought about how much work I put in to get it stiff and that makes me satisfied (somewhat). Good problem to have at 70yo.

    LH--->HCG, I use it
    FSH--->HMG, do not use it
    Aldosterone--->florinef, I have the pills but newer tried
    ACTH--->I think supplementation would be too problematic


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  15. pmgamer18

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    Jan adding Preg. Life-Flo 15mgs cream my Ferritin went from 126 taking 2 iron pills with Vit. C 2x's / day.
    · Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 1x/day.


    To 300 and I was on only one Iron pill / day nothing has change except adding the following supplements for the damage done by Statin Drugs.
    · Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

    · Lecithin 1200 mgs 3 caps 2x’s/day.

    · Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

    · Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

    · Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com.

    · Darvocet/Acetaminophe/Propoxyphe 650mg/100mg Po Tab. 2x’s/day.

    · Tylenol Arthritis Pain 1 tablets 2x’s/day.

    We are not going to stop Iron pills until we see my next set of labs.

    My Total Chol. is 187 off statin drugs dam good.

    My IGF-1 is now higher then it ever was off Growth Hormnones. 197.

    My Homocysteine Cardiovascular is dam good 8.9.

    Your Units for Thyroid are not the same as mine.

    TSH 1.73 range .4 to 4.5 mIU/L.

    T4 (Thyroxine), Total 9.4 range 4.5 to 12.5 mcg/dL.

    Free T4 Index (T7) 2.9 range 1.4 to 3.8.

    T4 Free 1.3 range .8 to 1.8 ng/dL.

    T3 Free 3.0 range 2.3 to 4.2 pg/mL.

    T3 Total 102 range 76 to 181 ng/dL.

    T3 Uptake 31 range 22 to 35%.

    RT3 41 range 11 to 32 ng/dL.

    Test Total 1176 range 250 to 1100 ng/dL up from 6 weeks ago on same dose 671 could this be Preg. cream.

    Test Free 304.6 range 46 to 224 pg/mL.

    Test Bio 613.1 range 110 to 575 nmol/L

    SHBG 19 range 17 to 54 nmol/L.

    Albumin, Serum 4.4 range 3.6 to 5.1 g/dL.

    My Dr. is not going to lower my dose of T until we see my next set of labs.

    I do them next Tue and will see them in 2 weeks after this.




    I am still in a lot of pain but getting better today I walked around the house with out using the walker.

    As for sex I could do it everyday but like your wife lucky to have it every 2 wks. My house is full from morning to night you never know when some one is coming over. So day time playing with my self is out. But at night when my wife says now I do it any way with her next to me.

    Often this gets her going what is it with women when they age they think they are to old for sex. My wifes hormones are fine. It's all in her head I think they get old look in the mirror don't like what they see and don't feel sexy anymore.
     
  16. JanSz

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    Just make sure that you see pregnenolone and progesterone (and whatewer else you will be testing) on a blood test report.

    Feeling good is fine, make sure that you have piece of paper that prove it.

    I had my two phlebotomies (2x 500mL) while taking pregnenolone, so it will be hard to judge its effect on ferritin.

    Yes, I had inkling about pregnenolone raising my TotalTestosterone, so I took it down from T=175mg/week to 161mg/week (two ticks on syringe).
    That was still not enough, and my TT (actually BAT) got little higher than I want.
    So I got it down next two ticks, 147mg/week

    Also my SHBG got up from 18--->19 that is almost ideal.

    With your
    Test Bio 613.1 range 110 to 575 nmol/L
    you need two or three ticks down (on EOD) basis

    For your E3D schedule that mean (3-4.5) ticks less than you are taking now.
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    I could newer masturbate in presence of my wife, possibly mistake.

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    Well when I had ED bad on better days this is what we did together. Being in all the pain my TT,FT and BioT levels fell very bad. I went from the 800's doing 70 mgs every 3 days to below 500. So my Dr. upped my dose to 80mgs and my levels went up to 550 so now he has me doing 100 mgs every 3 days.

    If my levels are still high like this on my next set of labs he will be lowering my dose.
     
  18. spiderRico

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    Jan, what do you attribute the huge drop of Cortisol from 07' to 09'?
     
  19. JanSz

    JanSz Well-Known Member

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    You are on a roller coaster.
    E3D system is not helping.
    Your (maximum) Cortisol looks low
    Your are using 10mg-HC and two hours latter that it is practically gone, 5mg but more frequent doses would keep levels more steady.
    Using transdermal pregnenolone will not raise your pregnenolone blood levels, (per multiple dr John's posts) (regardless how good it will make you feel from time to time).

    When you hit 65yo you will get Medicare. 2 hrs latter do Spectracell (all 3 tests).
    I am sure you are missing on tonns of items.
    Get ready before your 65th, call Melisa get the forms, I will help you fill them in.

    Just off the top of my head.

    ...
     
  20. Hemochromatosis

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    I woud like to know the question to his ferritin issue.

    JanSz: you had prostate removed or green lasered or whatever. I have been chiming now for way too long. prostate enlargement has been associated with estrogen levels in many cases.

    What does cancer feed on mister? Thats right iron.

    If I had anything wrong with my prostate I would tank my iron, like I curently do, and load up on artemisinin. just me though

    Respectfully, I think you get wrapped around the axle too much sometimes with metrics, which is understandable when it comes to hormonal regulation.

    keep in mind what you are dealing with in iron, Fe, especially the non bio-available our government shoves down our pie holes. This isnt some failed conversion of cholesterol to preg or something that is gumming up our mito from being able to convert ldl down through the cascade.

    my advise is set your hct/hgb to address the red blood rbc pack and overall viscosity issues to avoid increased risk of stroke

    put open the jedi helmet and tell me "how you feel" with a lower Fe. As mentioned I drive mine to border anemic at 15-20 is my sweet spot.

    if you are not on a thinner, and it is something i am seriously considering as a warfarin replacement, look into nattokinease and boluke go to dr. gordons site and put in the time. DO not stack natto and/or boluke if you are currently on any kinds of thinner to include high levles of VIt E, garlic charging, warfarin/coumadin, policosanol, etc...

    interesting enough you can measure nattos effectiveness with the same protime INR used for warfarin/coumadin sinc ethey both supress fibrin, or at least I hav been told but not personally tested yet.
     

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