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"Marxism in America" by Lt. Gen. (Ret.) W.G. Boykin - OAK

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  1. cpeil2

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    Right-wing theorists in the US conveniently place National Socialism on the left simply because it has "Socialism" in its name, even though National Socialism was rabidly anti-socialist. However, the picture is not nearly so simple.

    It is true that the economy was centralized and industry's primary task was to serve the needs of the state. However, there was almost no nationalization of large industrial concerns - corporate ownership remained private. And by serving the needs of the state, the corporations profited handsomely. German rearmament was a windfall for large concerns like Krupps and IG Farben.

    Additionally, corporate management enjoyed a high degree of autonomy in deciding how to go about keeping government contracts. One would never say that the Nazi economy was full free-market capitalism, but private property rights and profit were as highly regarded as they are in free-market economies.

    In fact, Hitler's rise to power was at least partly a result of collusion by the corporations, the military and the aristocracy. They thought he was a harmless nut job who could be handled and trusted to do what he was supposed to.


    All of that said, in thinking about Fascism and where it fits on the political spectrum, I almost like to think of National Socialism as an outlier, an atypical form of Fascism. It was such a pathology that I don't know whether we will ever understand completely how it came about.
     
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    The comparison is a little overwrought. It was a tasteless exploitation of children, for sure. But the target of the ad was voting-age adults. There is no better subliminal hook than cute children. - well maybe cute animals.
     
  3. Kronos

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    Actually...

    Under a minute with Google and you can find plenty of articles on this... the following is one of the shorter more concise explanations.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/27/ready-reserve-corps-over-60-years-old/
     
  4. Hemochromatosis

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    Regarding the LTG Boykin video: A big Duh!!!

    If this is somehow some form of illumination or wake up call, and if most find this a piece of extraordinary new knowledge, then there is a more serious lacking or need for self validation than what I could even imagine.

    As a premise, my father was the 17th Officer and founding member, inducted into the original green berets, 10th group, U.S. Special Forces, under the direct report to the founding father of our special forces Col. Aaron Banks. Dad also wrote the training book that was used until about 15-20 years ago at Ft. Bragg and was known as Napoleon, who they recruited from psyops.

    With that knowledge some of you might find it interesting how I litigated a defense contractor who was owned and managed (and I use the term managed loosely since it was more akin to auto pilot) by national guard for the national guard.


    Here is what the old boy is not mentioning on the video: The military industrial complex, made of corporations that run our country and judicial system, routinely exploit our tax dollars by wiring non competed contracts to companies that were set up by their pals, who all of their friends and family work for at obscene inflated salaries with benefits to die for.

    The LTG does not mention how his pals receive 3 times more than active duty pay for doing the same job they had during active duty when they join the ranks of their comrades in the corporations set up as feeding troughs. The National Guard, all 54 states and territories considered, under one program, Contractor Military Equivalents (CME's) have been conservatively estimated to be defrauding the American Taxpayer to the tune of $30 billion per annum.

    Blackwater, Halliburton, KBR, and an onslaught of other MIC's are as guilty or maybe even more, of sustaining and perpetuating a war on their own; us, you and me. Every dollar of fraud is not just a form of waste and abuse, but the stealing of your time and the wasting of your lives, what I affectionately refer to as the slow roasting genocide.

    However, most people in the United States are too stupid to understand how their lives, converted to time, to dollars, to wages/salary, to taxes, to fraud is actually removal of a piece of their lives. Keep in there boy and may the slave farm with all of the sheeple continue to go baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaa. While they all call sorts like me "Conspiracy Theorists." Like it is some form of derogatory mark on my forehead that labels me a crackpot.

    The same morons are the ones that say "wow you were right." It is not any consolation that I am interested in receiving as an acknowledgement of what I already know. What I know, what I have lived, most speculate as they contemplate their navels and remove the lint.

    Our judiciary, at least on the federal level and arguable the States too since the guard is a State animal, are controlled by the military. Evidence lies no further than the U.S. District Court located in Alexandria, Virgina.

    So while the LTG wants to point at this and that and socialism here and socialism there and the redistribution of wealth, he needs to look at the 3 fingers in his own hand pointing back. The kind that will readily engage 3 and soon to be 4 wars at the same time while we have Mexican drug cartels rapidly moving the southern boarder 100miles into Arizona is a fooking farse.

    The greedy and corrupt (the minority) are surrounded by the apathetic, stupid, ignorant, lazy and selfish (the majority). I look into the blank stares anymore and I do not know which side is worse. Anyone attributing any of this to partisan politics takes the dumb dumb crown. What we are laying witness to is human nature, which will soon to be on high burn and soon will implode.

    I can't deny the thought of cleaning under the rim of the bowl doesn't excite me. Power usually comes with a premise of wealth and what we are laying witness to my brothers of a higher hormone is not a mere reset. The real mystery is why I keep looking for avenues to improve my health by venturing into forums like these and reading volumes.

    I see life through the ultimate prison of flesh with eyes for windows as I look out onto nothing I want to even remotely participate in anymore. I have played my role, I have paid my dues severely as my last act nears.

    Incidentally for those following my saga, my case, which has established a defense that Blackwater just used to get out from under all of their charges, is going to be petitioned before the Supreme Court (SCOTUS). With landmark precedence, the lower courts ruled "Government Knowledge" is enough for any illicit act made by a contractor to be purified as the wind driven snow. It has opened up a blue sky to drive the fraud bus through and I am pissed. I have other undertakings that I will reveal in here when the time comes, something within the court system, and something you will giggle your E2 off with.....

    In the mean time if you truly want to due your part to correct things: Love your neighbor and love God with expressions of random acts of kindness. Open a door, pump some gas for someone or simply smile and say hello. Unification is not a political consideration it is one of heart and mind.
     
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  5. Katzenjammer

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    And this changes things how? It just seems to further my point. The contention of conservatives is that progressives since Wilson have been trying to overturn the Constitution and usher in some amalgamation of socialism/marxism. I wouldn't be surprised if the language creating such a "corp" doesn't go back to the Wilson Administration.
     
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    I have nephews and nieces who talk exactly like this - they go to very expensive camps that indoctrinate them about global warming, etc. A class of kids is being created who have been conditioned not to think for themselves; they are completely brainwashed into a globalist, borderless, socialist vision. The advertisement is just as much for children as it is for adults; and is part of a much larger movement that is really quite frightening. The parallels with the Hitler youth are striking.
     
  7. JanSz

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    There is really no need for Constitution.
    There is no need for a Stock Market.

    Lenin ad Mao did so well without.

    Tired of trying all kind of stimuli.

    Now is a time to show what really was meant by Change.


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    Stock Market is tool of capitalist pigs.

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  8. Hemochromatosis

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    is anyone thinking about their med/supplement supplies in terms of quantity on hand as we continue to slide and meltdown? i think i am going to start to stockpile for a year and then run monthly reups behind it on a fifo basis.
     
  9. Katzenjammer

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    All I can say is, it's going to get very ugly. Austerity is inevitable. Upheaval and riots will follow. This is why, among other reasons, the 2nd Amendment is crucial.

    Pray and work for BO to be routed in 2012; and for a brave, intelligent soul to take his place. And please take action to educate and plan for your own future and that of your family.

    Peace, ~katz
     
  10. Katzenjammer

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    You’re absolutely right: the picture isn’t so simple. The Nazi party was rabidly anti-communist, but only anti-socialist in a very limited sense, spurning the alleged Jewish AND atheistic aspects of socialism. Otherwise, in many ways it was thoroughly collectivist/socialist - the social welfare programs (many of which Bismarck instituted during the Weimar Republic), the control over news/censorship, National Labor Service, the Hitler Youth, how Volkswagon evolved, etc.

    If you don’t believe that the Nazi Party was socialist, please google Kraft durch Freude, or “Strength through Joy” program. There are many more examples of this.

    But that is the very definition of Fascism. All facets of industry were centrally controlled, even while ownership was private, at least technically. Indeed they privatized many industries.

    That’s not really accurate Cpeil. Here’s a short explanation. Lots more to say but time/space limited:
    There are many reasons/theories for his rise to power - this is a hotly debated topic of course. Too large for this forum. Not exactly sure how it’s germane though: corporations, the military class, and the aristocracy are often collectivist/statist in their thinking.

    Well, here's how I see it: it’s inherently collectivist-statist. That puts it squarely in the left in Anglo-American terminology. Not sure how you’d argue otherwise.

    ~katz
     
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    Where is that frisbee golf guy from the upper peninsula in the place north of ohio.......? not here for recognition of being right, but please refer back to the mexican immigration thread from over a year ago and you making fun of old hemo as you watch your future melt...

    dont be a fool katz government, politics, constitutions, laws, regulations are only as strong as the apathetic majority are willing to enforce by killing and dying over.......aint gonna happen.

    we will see the upheavals as you have noted, pointed in the wrong direction because the masses are dumb.......reference London the fools burn down small businesses dumb shits, when they should be setting the police on fire like the greeks do or directing the anger where it needs to be: the government and more so the global elite

    so the dumb dumb's will feed on each other and the police will play referee and invoke marshal law............while old hemo is hopefully at an upward elevation looking down on the madness

    how easy to control the sheeple, cut off their meds and cripple them. if i am denied hc for any short length of time i am foooooobarred.

    someone should start a thread call "Plan B" on the basis that we are not going to have access to what we need in terms of meds and supplies, how to lengthen expiration, storage, replacement with natural more attainable, etc. bootleg, etc...whatever....watch - no one will take the initiative or give a rats arse...

    1 year with a 1 month back fill, i am doing this for food, water and munitions too
     
  12. Bulldog

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    Did I miss something? What is this advertisement of which you speak? I have seen reference to it a few times in this thread, yet I have seen no link to said advertisement.
     
  13. Katzenjammer

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    Hemo, who ever made fun of you? I certainly haven't. I think you should start a thread called "Plan B" and ask the Mods to sticky it. Seriously.

    I was in London during the December riots - these kids are absolute drones, and they were being radicalized by highly sophisticated globalists/socialists who get at them first in schools. I have no doubt the same dynamics are at work here. That is why they are going after small business people/middle class. That is the way to bring down a society.

    These kids have been indoctrinated with liberal values their whole lives: a sense of victimhood, entitlement, amorality, and no consequences for action. And now British society is seeing the ugly implications of all that mis-education.

    I haven't entirely given up on the US though Hemo - there are lots of good people who are very powerfully networked with tons of resources.

    Yes, we're working against a huge power; witness the recent struggle over the debt: there are, essentially, no cuts in the debt deal. That is in party why the US was downgraded, among other reasons. We were not, however, downgraded for "cuts" - there were/are no cuts. Of course, the media/dems went into full swing with a bipatite (contradictory) message: 1. S&P is incompetent, 2. it's a "tea party downgrade" - LOL...yeah, right. But see: no one believes them anymore who matters.

    However, I still believe we can save things, at least here in the US. But time is running out and in the meantime it's going to be really difficult.
     
  14. Katzenjammer

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    Soros funded Moveon.org propaganda:

    [video=youtube;G7L3xpElK0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7L3xpElK0Y&feature=player_embedded[/video]

    Careful, you may throw up in your mouth a wee bit.
     
  15. Bulldog

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    Actually.....I threw up all over my keyboard. [​IMG]
     
  16. JanSz

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    Union bosses are not friends of union members.

    Union members are "useful idiots".

    For the union members.
    Not for the union bosses


    From Katzenjammer's post #30

     
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    Statism (or etatism) is a scholarly term in political philosophy either emphasising the role of the state in analysing political change; or, in describing political movements which support the use of the state to achieve goals.
     
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    But socialism is all about labor unions - many of our right-wing friends would even say that labor unionism is Marxism. Union-busting is a distinctly right-wing activity.
     
  19. Katzenjammer

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    This is a bit of a red herring Cpeil - no one as far as I know said that the nazi party/national socialism = "Socialism," in a strict one-to-one correspondence.

    National Socialism was socialist, statist, totalitarian, collectivist - an admixture of all of these.

    The contention is whether national socialism is a left-wing phenomenon, as I've argued above.

    If the state is verging towards totalitarian control it will try to destory any intermediary organization between the (now) isolated individual and the State: families, civic groups, church, and even unions.

    The union issue is complex, which is why I nixed it from my post above - because in many ways, for example, guilds/unions were part of the movement of the party into power. I believe many of those were transmogrified into political entities controlled by the state, such as the German Labor Front. In other words, unions in such a regime are tolerated as long as they serve the purposes of the collective/state.

    Btw, I think most conservatives think free-association via unions is fine - it's when they become "involuntary" that conservatives have a problem with it; and when the state forces companies to recognize them and comply with their demands.
     
  20. Kronos

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    Credibility.

    If you can't be bothered to get the most basic facts right why would anyone bother to listen to what you think about the topic?

    Lets try the same thing in a different context...

    If you went to a Doctor for TRT and they made statements that clearly indicated they did not understand the basic function of Testosterone, how interested would you be to hear their thoughts and opinions on any of the more complex aspects of hormone modulation?

    I agree with most of the statements being made, but when they are presented as being based on factually incorrect information they are not helpful to the furtherance of those views, they are harmful. If the intent is to provide the opposition with as many opportunities to discredit your view as possible.... Good Job. If the intent is to educate, inform, warn, and convince people with undecided or opposing views... Thanks for the effort, but your doing more harm than good by making us all look like Conspiracy Nutjobs intent on twisting or ignoring the facts however much we need to support our opinions...
     

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