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Stinging nettle root has all but fixed all of my issues - the question is why ?

Discussion in 'Male Health & HRT' started by chipdouglas, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. chipdouglas

    chipdouglas New Member

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    I've turned 40 a few days ago. In a nutshell, a few months ago my life was literally ruined - while I'm doing better now, it's left a pretty big scar and more drama to my life than I would care to have. But life happens as you often say and one has to roll with the punches. I guess it's best that I tell you about the main parts striving not to make this post overly long.

    My better half left me (though she's back now) though the cascade of events from the morning she left (quite unexpectedly, so yes it came as a devastating shock to me and I choose my words carefully here) to now, has caused tremendous upheaval with the brother and sister-in-law. Without going into any further details, as that would be way too long a post, I've been stabbed in the back by people I'd known and saw on a regularly basis for 16 years - I've never ever been that mad (seething anger would be more like it) in my whole life - they came and destroyed my life at a time where I could barely keep my head out of the water - perhaps some reading this post will relate to me through having experienced similar hardship. Keep in mind I've skipped a lot of details as it'd be tremendously time consuming both for you and for me.


    Moving to the positive part now :


    I've had low libido and moderate ED for 13 years now, with moderate improvements over the last few months (despite the ordeal). As a summary, I was diagnosed with ADHD 5 years ago, but I had an overnight stay at the hospital about two months ago - the next morning, I saw the same psychiatrist I saw 5 years ago - he removed his initial ADHD Dx, because I couldn't have completed 3 out of 4 years towards my BSc in nursing if I had an actual case of ADHD, especially if unmedicated. What's more, I've tried Adderall XR for a week and it made me worse. What I was found to have is OCPD and there's no doubt I have this big time ! This has caused me to get into trouble dealing with people - I'm a good person who's done some bad things. I've found meditation to be of significant help towards bringing my anxiety more manageable - years ago, I'd laugh at meditation, but I no longer do - one lives and learn.


    A few clinically related data : I've had MPB and elevated serum DHT - I'm pretty much addicted to internet porn and well fapped ~ twice daily for as long as I can recall. I've never been on either Finasteride nor Dutasteride - Last TT was 525 ng/dl, E2 was : 33 pg/ml, FT hasn't been done, but BAT was and came back slightly above mid-range. TSH has been consistently 2.0 or slightly above, but that alone can't explain a complete loss of sex drive. FT4 was done once and came back in the upper third of range - FT3 wasn't done because the lab my primary care practitioner does business with doesn't do FT3 if FT4 is within range. As far as cortisol goes, AM/PM serum cortisol has been just where it should be and salivary cortisol doesn't point to AF (though we know AF is about the command center and not the adrenals per se).

    I've found milk thistle to : significantly increase well-being and help with libido and ED to a moderate extent, which to me is pretty significant. Through researching this (Can provide the PMID if required) I've found sylimarin has been found to have anxiolytic action, so I may or may not derive benefits from milk thistle through this action.

    Now, the second I've experience even more significant benefits from is stinging nettle root extract ( Now Foods), though my last SHBG came back pretty normal as far as I know : SHBG : 25.3 (11.0 - 63.0) nmol/L
    Stinging nettle root has caused a significant increased in well-being, dramatically improvement in ED, moderate increase in libido, overall increase in energy and motivation to get things done. While on it, I feel less obsessive about things. I didn't expect to experience any benefits from it, given how normal my SHBG looks to be (unless I'm mistaken). IIRC is inhibits DHT from binding to the it's receptors in the prostate, but it doesn't actually lower systemic DHT. I've found this about stinging nettle, but don't know whether the following page actually discusses the benefits of the leaves over the root : http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/nettle

    Because of the already normal SHBG and because of the way it seems to interact with DHT, I'm puzzled as to what could cause it for me to experience the above mentioned benefits. I thought about inflammation, which would make more sense to me, espcially since it only takes a few hours for it to kick in, leading me to think the MOA might not have to do with hormones. Clearly, stinging nettle root does cause my anxiety to decrease significantly, but I'd very much like to find out why it does so.


    There aren't many places on the web other than these forums where I could find an answer to this.

    Thank you.
     
  2. alex

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    I'm pretty much addicted to internet porn and well fapped ~ twice daily for as long as I can recall

    This can cause ED in many. It did in me and literally countless others iv spoken to. Would suggest you stop watching porn and ejaculating excessively. Save your libido and sexual energy for your partner. I know it can be hard I would suggest k9 web protection has worked extremely well for me haven't watched porn in months. Not watching porn definitely helps you resensitize your brain to more natural stimuli such as kissing or making out or just regular women in general.
     
  3. JackNeedsHelp

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    I honestly dont beleive evolution has prepared our brains for todays internet porn!!
     
  4. alex

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    Ofcourse there not. Its literally the same kind of logic as following the Paleo diet. Our prinmal ancestors were rarely ever exposed to high glycemic and/or massive amounts of carbs. They ate the way nature intended them to and surprize surprize no insulin resistance, no obesity, no modern day diseases.

    Same thing goes for there sex life. I would wagger a bet that our ancestors didnt even masturbate that much. Theres no way to prove this but its just my gut feeling. I can however guarentee that they were NEVER exposed to porn , graphic images , reckless sexual stimulation.

    matter of fact there only sexual stimulation was probably through their female partners really. Unless you think they spent alot of time masterbating but that just dosnt seem right.

    anyway there are whole websites and forums devoted to this. would recomend googling "your brain or porn " or something like that. Im not saying all these theories are spot on correct. Theres no way to prove many of these things until scientists figure out ways of accurately gauging our brain chemistry. But it 100% is something everyone sould consider who has had sexual issues.

    Also I might add. I still masturbate. Im not saying dont masterbate ever. Thats probably impossible for 99% of single people. its also probably counterproductive if done to long. But keep it to a frequency that you deem healthy and that dosnt affect your sexual function. For me 1-3 times weekly is about perfect at the moment. Used to be alot less but now that my hormones are better my body handles and recovers from sexual activity much better.

    But not watching porn has helped me SOOOOO much in the arousal dept. Now that its almost 5 months of being 100% porn free its not uncommon for me to pop wood in class looking at girls. Iam significantly more responsive to natural stimuli. And it dosnt take long for the effects to manifest themselves.

    Now if only I could raise my levels of neuros....would probably reach the promised land
     
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    Thanks for the responses - what you guys wrote makes sense.

    However, the main reason for my post (though it may not seem obvious with all of that above info I shared) is that I'd like to find out why stinging nettle fixes so many of my issues at once ? There has to be a reason, but despite all of my research, I couldn't come up with any scientific based explanation.

    I'll try browsing some more around here and see what I can find.
     
  6. BadassBlues

    BadassBlues Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Chip, stinging nettle most likely had nothing to do with what your feeling. For what its worth, stinging nettle is at best a moderate aid for BPH. There are some direvatives of stinging nettle (divanex) that have some anectodal positive effects at lowering SHBG.

    IMHO... You have just been through a hellish ordeal, belive me... I can relate. You are now enjoying the "temporary" effects of a nice dopamine rush.

    Alex has given you the best advice you are going to get.

    Fix your porn addiction, and then look to the rest.

    Give my best to Uncle Charlie...:thumbup1:
     
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    I don't get any of the benefits I've described above when not on stinging nettle - even without changing my fapping schedule, stingng nettle has made a striking difference in most of my symptoms (otherwise I wouldn't be making such a big deal about it) Trust me, there's is something to this. There has to be a reason and the only ones I can think of is that it has mild anxiolytic and/or anti -inflammatory action. The leaves do, but the roots don't appear too though, so I'm somewhat perplexed. Also, keep in mind, I didn't expect that kind of outcomes from stinging nettle root. The benefits have been so striking that I cannot write if off.

    That said, I'm not saying stopping porn watching makes no sense - it makes a lot of sense, as evidenced by so many men.

    You're thinking that I stopped fapping and watching porn and then started to get better erections - it's not the case at all. Nothing has changed except for the addition of stinging nettle alone, as I don't assess many substances at once, as it becomes impossible to know what does what.
     
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    What brand are you taking, chip?

    I have labs that "prove" that my free testosterone went up because of Stinging Nettle ( a lot) Its the only time my free test was high, teh other four times was low or very low.

    Stinging nettle in used for prostate and something more I cant remenber now. Its incredible what this little herb has done for you, I always saw it like maybe a doubtful anabolic and a mild herbal medicine of diuretic properties.

    I know what people says here about normal free testosterone tests and while I am far from being capable of discussing them anything related with hormones my subjective experience is that I have seen a lot of cases of guys with low total testosterone AND low free testosterone. I dont know, for me, normal free testosterone tests are ok.

    Btw seriously end with porn forever. I am still trying and my current state is like one month free-relapse again- 20 days free-relapse again-26 days free... etc About frequent masturbation, thats the hardest addiction in my opinion, especially with insomnia as I have, but it really seems like it has a harmful impact at least in erection quality and libido.
     
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    These two statements are contradictory. If you have been fapping not only once but twice a day all these years, then it is absolutely impossible that your libido was low.

    I have low libido - when I am lucky, I am able to fap to internet porn twice a week. I am single and I wish I could enjoy porn every day, but it is impossible.
     
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    When something wicked like porn comes into the equation, things change. Only someone like me that has been addicted to Masturbation and Porn can understand instantly it. You dont have libido for real woman, or not much, and the few you have you will waste it AUTOMATICALLY in autostimulation with or without porn. It ****s up your normal response in sex situations or to real woman, but does more things... I can tell you I have been stroking for 30 minutes a flaccid penis until I realized I couldnt masturbate. Even with low libido the addiction doesnt dies. Its a sick behaviour.
     
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    I've used Now Food's stinging nettle root extract.
     
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    Well, it may be a problem for some people that they channel their urges into porn then have nothing left over for their partners, but it does not mean they have low libido.

    Believe me, if you really had low libido, watching porn would be like watching your grandmother bake a cake. It just wouldn't do anything for you. It wouldn't compute. Take it from someone who has been there. Someone who faps twice a day to porn cannot have low libido.

    Also, if you want to but you can't get it up, it is not low libido, it is ED.
     
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    Don't forget that I've been diagnosed with OCPD - I didn't self diagnose. OCPD isn't OCD, but these are all anxiety spectrum disorders. I'm fully aware that fapping twice a day for years doesn't point to low libido, but let me explain some more. When I first started masturbating to porn many years ago, I would get turned on quite a bit both before (anticipatory pleasure) and while watching porn. By turned on, I mean libido (which is the desire part). Also and mostly, when I was doing it, the pleasurable sensations would rate at 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 - now, when I do it (and for over 13 years) the pleasurable sensations would rate at 4 at best (that is, if I don't use any of the substances I've found to help me). I keep doing it despite the very low pleasurable feeling - this is compulsive behavior - I have many compulsions in my life (though many have improved over the last few months), sex is only one. So the overall theme is compulsion and/or addiction - psychiatric diagnoses often overlap.

    I've also mentioned that I've had consistently elevated serum DHT - this is likely to contribute to the whole drive behind doing it again and again.

    I've started meditating - meditation is one of the best way to break habits - old harmful repetitive behaviors. I know that meditation has been remarkably helpful to me. Years ago I would have laughed at this, but I no longer do. That said, it has to be used consistently over long enough a time to really break these patterns. One has to replace a bad habit by another - meditation serves as a replacement. These are things I've discussed with a friend of mine who used to work in research endocrinology - he's of Indian descent and has also taught meditation for years, so he's explain a good many things to me about it. There are many types of meditations - mindfulness is a good one, but there are many more like Transcendantal meditation etc.

    I've tried a number of substances over the last few years - 5HTP would help with libido and erections as well - actually, the benefits I've experienced using stinging nettle root, remind me of those I had while on 5HTP - I've also noticed my orgasms aren't as strong while on stinging nettle root - same thing can happen while on 5HTP. I'd get rock hard erections while on 5HTP. Now, let's not forget the OCPD (anxiety) background to my case - stinging nettle contains some serotonin, so it's not unlikely the benefits I derive from it come as a result of serotonin.

    What I'm trying to say is that the recurrent theme is anxiety. I've always been highly stressed and anxious - I'm known to be a man of extremes. I've literally burnt myself out.
     
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    I agree with most of what you wrote above. For as long as i've had these issues I've often posted about on here and elsewhere, I could've been in bed with the sexiest girl known to mankind and this would've had as muc h of an impact for me as watching a cat cross the street would have. I agree that there must be some libido for one to do it - but so far as my case is concerned, I think : some libido, compulsion and the addictive nature of fapping all have a role to play in my doing it daily. Lack of sensitivity doesn't come as much of a surprise considering the chronicity of the phenomenon.
     
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    You're correct.
     
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    You would have a good point there if you had written "zero libido" instead of "low libido"
    I have very low libido and I will always get at least minimal or marginal arousal from porn and some lucky days from girls (its healthier that way lol) with some effort from my part, of course.

    But maybe its just my case, my libido is always dying but never dies completely lol

    But I agree partially with the ED statement.

    However, the main thing is that porn lowers libido and causes ED, specially you can feel its effects when watched frequently. It does worse things to the mind, although.

    And LOOL to the grandmother analogy haha.
     
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    ****, you are just another case. Ive seen too many since I come from a forum of basically peoploaddicted to masturbation and porn. Some of them are addicted to sex as well and strange as it seems they say it causes similar problems. I also got the lack of sensivity. It doesnt improves with time, there is something more involved. Something quimic, hormonal, neurological or who knows. I am glad you improved with Nettle.
     
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    Precisly. I dont consider excesive porn wathcing and masterbation to that "high libido". So much of that is literally your addicted brain making you do things you really dont want to do.

    Sargonas I highly recomend K9 web protection. It helps during moments of weakness. Make a giberish password you cant remember . Write it down somewhere and give it to a loved one you trust who can hide it for you. Its what I did and it works extremely well. You need to save the password though because occasionaly you need to disable it in case it blocks something you actually need to access.
     

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